diff --git a/source/frontend/patchcanvas/patchcanvas.py b/source/frontend/patchcanvas/patchcanvas.py
index 98ff77d11..a6a35893a 100644
--- a/source/frontend/patchcanvas/patchcanvas.py
+++ b/source/frontend/patchcanvas/patchcanvas.py
@@ -363,7 +363,7 @@ def addGroup(group_id, group_name, split=SPLIT_UNDEF, icon=ICON_APPLICATION):
         elif old_matching_group is not None and old_matching_group[0]:
             group_sbox.setPos(old_matching_group[2])
         else:
-            group_sbox.setPos(CanvasGetNewGroupPos(True))
+            group_sbox.setPos(group_box.x() + group_box.boundingRect().width() + 300, group_box.y())
 
         canvas.last_z_value += 1
         group_sbox.setZValue(canvas.last_z_value)
diff --git a/source/frontend/patchcanvas/utils.py b/source/frontend/patchcanvas/utils.py
index 33e638c89..336b9b0ec 100644
--- a/source/frontend/patchcanvas/utils.py
+++ b/source/frontend/patchcanvas/utils.py
@@ -36,21 +36,27 @@ def CanvasGetNewGroupPos(horizontal):
     new_pos = QPointF(canvas.initial_pos)
     items = canvas.scene.items()
 
-    break_loop = False
-    while not break_loop:
+    #break_loop = False
+    while True:
         break_for = False
         for i, item in enumerate(items):
             if item and item.type() == CanvasBoxType:
-                if item.sceneBoundingRect().contains(new_pos):
+                if item.sceneBoundingRect().adjusted(-5, -5, 5, 5).contains(new_pos):
+                    itemRect = item.boundingRect()
                     if horizontal:
-                        new_pos += QPointF(item.boundingRect().width() + 15, 0)
+                        new_pos += QPointF(itemRect.width() + 50, 0)
                     else:
-                        new_pos += QPointF(0, item.boundingRect().height() + 15)
+                        itemHeight = itemRect.height()
+                        if itemHeight < 30:
+                            new_pos += QPointF(0, itemHeight + 50)
+                        else:
+                            new_pos.setY(item.scenePos().y() + itemHeight + 20)
                     break_for = True
                     break
-
-            if i >= len(items) - 1 and not break_for:
-                break_loop = True
+        else:
+            if not break_for:
+                break
+            #break_loop = True
 
     return new_pos